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Age · Mar 12, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Much earlier? WoW came out November 23rd 2004 for NA/AUS, February 11th 2005 for EU. GW came out April 28th, 2005 for NA/AUS/EU/others (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Do you really think WoW is more successful because it came out 5 months before GW for NA/AUS players, and about a month and a half before GW for EU players? And no, the graphics are not the main reason people from WoW decided to play GW. The main reason was GW did not have a subscription, so players could play it whenever they wanted. Regardless of how many expansions are coming out for PWI, it is not going to kill WoW.

The no subscribtion fees is one factor but when those who saw the amazing graphics were sold on to game by then.

Gli · Mar 12, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I'm not sure how number-of-people is proportional to the causality of a game...

So am I. I sure hope it isn't proportional. If the relationship between cause and effect doesn't adher to a firm internal logic that's independent of the number of players, well... a game like that would suck.

Bryant Again · Mar 13, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

WoW endgame is more casual than GW.

...to the point where it's getting quite depressing. It's starting to take the route GW took: either A. unnecessarily dumbing down the game or B. catering to those who want it dumbed down. Pretty shitty either way.

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

PvP in both games is flawed just as equally-

HAW!

howlinghobo · Mar 15, 2009, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Look at the amount of players GW still has, then see how wow is more populated than its ever been. Pve is the same, difficult to find people, the same builds are always run. And pvp still seems too restricted with the same type of builds and skills, ostensibly gw has more skills and variety with builds, but really, very few are playable. Thats the way its always been with gw balance.

Highlander Of Alba · Mar 15, 2009, 03:01 AM // 03:01

Well I think its basicaly like the Lottery..who do same numbers each week

WOW...guys have paid ?? monthly over a period of say 1 or 2 years

They cant stop playing as this means they are hooked also.they will not just stop as they have invested there cash over this time and do not wish to forfit what they have paid in..so, they have to keep up they monthly subscriptions

GW paid once and thats it , you can stay as long or as short on it as you wish.

So count the cost over say a 2 year period .with expansions /sub fees

Would you just stop after paying that ...I think not

PuppyEater · Mar 15, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

Well I think its basicaly like the Lottery..who do same numbers each week

WOW...guys have paid ?? monthly over a period of say 1 or 2 years

They cant stop playing as this means they are hooked also.they will not just stop as they have invested there cash over this time and do not wish to forfit what they have paid in..so, they have to keep up they monthly subscriptions

GW paid once and thats it , you can stay as long or as short on it as you wish.

So count the cost over say a 2 year period .with expansions /sub fees

Would you just stop after paying that ...I think not

Your logic makes no sense at all because if it did I would feel no obligation to play an amount of time equal to the $40-50 I pay for an expansion and instead would be just fine with a week of play and nothing else while for some reason a person who pays $30 is unable to play any less than 60 days of WoW due to some kind of addiction...

If people played for no reason than to make it worth the subscription they would just cancel it...

daraaksii · Mar 15, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Why people compare GW to WoW btw?

Zebideedee · Mar 15, 2009, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Imho, GW's has the best graphix, I was looking at a few other rpg games this weekend, the other ones out there mostly have monthly fee's, with GW's I can come and go as I please but without paying a monthly fee. lol at fees, just lol. Isn't buying their game enough for these companies? greedy so and so's. I guess theres 11 million idiots out there, maybe I'm wrong

Granted that WoW has a ton of expansions and prolly gets a lot of updates, simple fact remains that if you compare a GW's char to a WoPaycraft, the GW's one will always look cooler (unless tonic'd, in that case, the GW's char looks like a retard :P)

T1Cybernetic · Mar 15, 2009, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Different games types for different people

Although (I will admit similarities)

Compare - Apples & Pears - Carrots & cauliflower yes?

This thread will probably go nowhere ;( just like most if not all the WoW v GW threads we see.

draxynnic · Mar 15, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

Well I think its basicaly like the Lottery..who do same numbers each week

WOW...guys have paid ?? monthly over a period of say 1 or 2 years

They cant stop playing as this means they are hooked also.they will not just stop as they have invested there cash over this time and do not wish to forfit what they have paid in..so, they have to keep up they monthly subscriptions

GW paid once and thats it , you can stay as long or as short on it as you wish.

So count the cost over say a 2 year period .with expansions /sub fees

Would you just stop after paying that ...I think not

People do, though. Sooner or later a person can realise that they're just throwing good money after bad and... stop.

Plus, I'm told these days Blizzard doesn't wipe your account if you stop paying - they just deny access. I guess they realised that they'd get more return customers if they didn't have that barrier to reentry.

Patar · Mar 16, 2009, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

Imho, GW's has the best graphix, I was looking at a few other rpg games this weekend, the other ones out there mostly have monthly fee's, with GW's I can come and go as I please but without paying a monthly fee. lol at fees, just lol. Isn't buying their game enough for these companies? greedy so and so's. I guess theres 11 million idiots out there, maybe I'm wrong

Granted that WoW has a ton of expansions and prolly gets a lot of updates, simple fact remains that if you compare a GW's char to a WoPaycraft, the GW's one will always look cooler (unless tonic'd, in that case, the GW's char looks like a retard :P)

I somehow disagree with that armor part. If you look at a max WoW char with a nice armor set, it'll look ORGASMIC. Sparkling bits and pieces here and there, glowing auras coming out of your giant pauldrons, and a giant sword/axe with glowing balls of magic eminating from it. It's insane... but really, what's it do for the character? Besides the usual "adding armor rating"... it doesn't do anything for the other abilities of your character. It hardly modifies your skills.

In gw, the armor's useful, and ties in with the skills you're using. The sets may not be as intricate and magnificent as WoW's armor sets, but you have something that's not OVERLY expensive, and keeps you looking forward for something as you're playing the game. That's the only reason I really got my warr through nightfall, because I wanted that primeval armor lol.

I don't know if you'll get my point (cuz I don't think I understand it all that much either lol) but I'm hoping I got it across

Firestone · Mar 16, 2009, 11:33 AM // 11:33

to be honest, i think once diablo 3 comes out, gw will and gw2 will lose a lot of potential customers

1. both are free to play
2. they are both not MMO style.
3. if it's like d2, then there is a lot of replayability compared to gw
4. d3 release date seems to be earlier than gw2. -> according to the interview given by d3 dev, they mentioned that the games are announced abt 1.5 yrs before launch. tht interview was released about 0.5 yrs ago. that mean the game should be out by 2010 or so.

i know for one thing, tht a lot of close friends of mine are going to get d3 instead of gw2. (approx 10% are going to get gw2 + d3. while 90% are going to get d3 only)...

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after seeing the way gw has developed over the last few yrs, i personally have gave up on it already. for my KoABD title.. i've only got 1 maxed title, and i don't intend to max anymore grid titles.

neither am i interested at the moment to purchase a gw2 as well (when it comes out)

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when i play d2 classic previously...
1. i'll shiver with anticipation when i got hostiled while playing 1/2 way, knowing that a wrong move would get me killed either by the pvper or the monster lurking behind the bush
2. i'll get excited when i picked a rare item / amulet / rings before other people. and id them hoping for a good mod
3. i can trade armors and such with other people
4. i can spend hours crafting a good build, and what skills to learn... coz if it's built wrongly, i have to recreate another one.

Sam.Online · Mar 16, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by Patar

I somehow disagree with that armor part. If you look at a max WoW char with a nice armor set, it'll look ORGASMIC. Sparkling bits and pieces here and there, glowing auras coming out of your giant pauldrons, and a giant sword/axe with glowing balls of magic eminating from it. It's insane... but really, what's it do for the character? Besides the usual "adding armor rating"... it doesn't do anything for the other abilities of your character. It hardly modifies your skills.

In gw, the armor's useful, and ties in with the skills you're using. The sets may not be as intricate and magnificent as WoW's armor sets, but you have something that's not OVERLY expensive, and keeps you looking forward for something as you're playing the game. That's the only reason I really got my warr through nightfall, because I wanted that primeval armor lol.

I don't know if you'll get my point (cuz I don't think I understand it all that much either lol) but I'm hoping I got it across

Some people prefer realistic armor and weapon set over glowing unrealistic-biggy things :P

Lonesamurai · Mar 16, 2009, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Sam.Online

Some people prefer realistic armor and weapon set over glowing unrealistic-biggy things :P

/seconded

the cartoonieness of the WoW graphics are my biggest turn off... but look at most MMO's, even Lineage and a lot of others are at least somewhere in between

Ctb · Mar 16, 2009, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Would you just stop after paying that ...I think not

I've stopped my WoW account three times over the course of the three years I've had it, so yea, I would just stop paying after that if I didn't feel like playing anymore.

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Why people compare GW to WoW btw?

Because some video games attract fanboys who have a neurotic need to believe that the video game they personally choose to play is better than everything else, subjectivity be damned. In some sick, twisted way, they just can't accept that thier personal choice is their own and that other people may not feel the same way, or, worse yet, may not even care about such a ridiculous argument.

I think has something to do with a lack of sunlight and great potential for mold to grow in a mother's basement.

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It hardly modifies your skills.

o.0

WoW was, for quite awhile, all about gear at the top levels. Getting a single piece of armor can mean the difference between wiping in a dungeon and clearing it to the point that there are actual "gear check" bosses that are nothing but a quick number crunch to make sure everyone in a raid has the appropriate gear and isn't trying to skip stages on the backs of other players.

Guild Wars, OTOH, has always been exactly the opposite. There is only one "max armor" for each class, two or three weapons to choose from, a couple mods for each weapon, and a handful of runes. Everything else is just digital candy in GW.

WoW isn't so gear-intensive as it used to be, but gear in WoW is geared much more heavily toward usefulness and customization, while gear in GW is almost exclusively about vanity items, especially in PvE where there's little reason to care about what gear you're using at all, outside of making sure it's maxed.

T1Cybernetic · Mar 16, 2009, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

/seconded

the cartoonieness of the WoW graphics are my biggest turn off... but look at most MMO's, even Lineage and a lot of others are at least somewhere in between

Actually that is one of the main reasons i have not tried so many other games

Not just world of warcraft, top of my list is monthly fees

I am no skinflint but i have enough bills with the kids/gym/food and other crazy stuff life throws at us every day.

It is very nice in guild wars to be able to load up and play a game without having to worry about paying for it...

Tullzinski · Mar 16, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Because some video games attract fanboys who have a neurotic need to believe that the video game they personally choose to play is better than everything else, subjectivity be damned. In some sick, twisted way, they just can't accept that thier personal choice is their own and that other people may not feel the same way, or, worse yet, may not even care about such a ridiculous argument.

I think has something to do with a lack of sunlight and great potential for mold to grow in a mother's basement.

You should not talk about all the WoW players like that!!!

Alleji · Mar 16, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Patar

I somehow disagree with that armor part. If you look at a max WoW char with a nice armor set, it'll look ORGASMIC. Sparkling bits and pieces here and there, glowing auras coming out of your giant pauldrons, and a giant sword/axe with glowing balls of magic eminating from it. It's insane...

Uh... you forgot the part where graphics are terrible, shoulders are 3x the size they should be (5x for taurens) and half of those "swords/axes with glowing auras" look less like a weapon and more like a bastard lovechild of a crystalline sword and a christmas tree.

You have to be a blind moron to think that visually WoW is better than GW.

Lonesamurai · Mar 16, 2009, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by T1Cybernetic

Actually that is one of the main reasons i have not tried so many other games

Not just world of warcraft, top of my list is monthly fees

I am no skinflint but i have enough bills with the kids/gym/food and other crazy stuff life throws at us every day.

It is very nice in guild wars to be able to load up and play a game without having to worry about paying for it...

Aye, I'm with you on that about paying, but there is one game I do every other month pay for and thats EvE Online...

I'm not sure what CTB was on about above about the game rules, but I've been playing for well over two years full on now and I still love to set up a harvester and and nom on some asteroids when I'm doing some work or watchinga film and the ships look stunning

however, that comes back tot he cartoonieness, i love the realistic look of the ships and that Star Trek feeling of flying around, hell, I'm in the Star tRek beta and EvE isstill better in my opinion

snaek · Mar 16, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by ctb

Prove this statement using only objective data: "visually WoW is better than GW"

what?...i said gw's engine is technically more capable in producing better graphics than wow's engine...so why are you asking me to prove that wow is visually better than gw objectively?

but this would be a typical reason to think wow is better (includes both objectivity & subjectivity)... "despite wow's inferior graphics capabilities, i like the art direction that it has taken as it suits my tastes better, and i appreciate the amount of effort that went in to making good use of a limited engine, making it look very refined and polished." of course this is ridiculously long and needless, so people will simply say, "visually wow is better than gw."